Carriage driving in Surrey and Sussex: Brockham Harness Club

Competition Clinc

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At Casi's Farm, Rowley Drive, Cranleigh.

9th March 2012

Starting at 7.30.

All you need to know about Competitive Carriage Driving!

Covering all aspect of Competitions, including Backstepping, Getting Started, Logistics of Competing at the Top and much more!

Everyone is welcome!

From Novice to Advanced Competitor.

There will be something for everyone!

With some of the UK's Top National and International Competitors..... Jo Rennison, Dick Lane, Gi Hunt, Sarah Garnett and Pippa Bassett.

£10 Including refreshments (soup and a roll).

If you would like to attend please contact Adam so we know an indication of numbers.
Adam Wyllie
adam@adamwyllie.co.uk
07803068076

2012 Membership

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Members
Please remember that your Membership runs out on the 31st January!
But don't panic!
You can easily rejoin online! Just Click Here and follow the simple steps.

Or if you would prefer Click Here to download the Membership Application form.

Remember once you membership elapses you are no longer eligible for reduced entries to BHC event. As well as missing out on reminder emails about upcoming events.

Don't Delay Renew Today!

Diamond Jubilee Drive

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The club is planning to celebrate the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee by organising a Carriage Drive through and around Dorking on Monday 4th June 2012.

It is only the second time in history that a British monarch has achieved 60 years on the throne the last being Queen Victoria in 1897.
The drive is currently in the early planning stages and more details and route etc will be released shortly but it is hoped that a wide variety of carriages and members will take part in the drive to celebrate this unique occasion.

Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee Celebrations in Dorking High Street looking
towards Pump Corner & West Street - June 1897
Photograph by kind permission -Dorking Museum

Goodwood Date Confirmed

2011-10-27T22:21:00.002+01:00

The Date for Goodwood 2012 can now be published as 21st/22nd July 2012.

We look forward to making this event as successful as it was this year, and we hope you can all attend.

www.goodwood.co.uk

Carriage Driving - The Old Days!

2011-09-28T15:43:00.000+01:00

Carriage Driving Certainly used to have more accidents than it does now, and competitions used to based upon who could finish a marathon without a wheel falling off, rather than who could get the best dressage..... but do we really have more fun nowadays?????
Make sure you watch it till the end........ as you may see a few club members featured in it!!

funny from Tim Maloy on Vimeo.

Merrist Wood - Indoor Competitions

2011-09-21T18:11:00.004+01:00

The Indoor Season is now upon us!
As usual Brockham will be holding Indoor Competitions at Merrist Wood Arena, Guildford.
Organised by Dick Lane, these events are great fun and perfect for anyone with a Horse/Pony and Carriage! From Shetland to Heavy Horse and Beginner to Horse Team Driver everyone comes to enjoy the competition at Merrist Wood.
This year will again see the return of 'Dick Dastery's Dog Show' which will feature after the completion of the dressage in the main arena! Prizes to winners and Bonios for All!!

Dog Team complete with Sleigh at last seasons Christmas Indoor Event

This year we hope to make the option to enter the events online via the Brockham website, it will work just like the current 'Join Online' system and will hopefully make it easier for both Competitors and Organisers.

This exciting new system will be up and running nearer to the start of the Indoor Season.
In the meantime to download an Entry Form - Click Here

Caroline Seignot competing with Super Noodles at October Indoors Event

The Dates for this winter's Merrist Wood Indoor Competitions are as follows:
Sunday 27th November 2011
Sunday 11th December 2011
Sunday 22nd January 2012
Sunday 12th February 2012
Sunday 18th March 2012

Goodwood Results and Photos

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A small selection of Photos from the weekend are available to view here, for the full gallery and to purchase photos please Peter Blackmans Photography website

Results For Dressage and Cones are HERE
Results A+B+C are HERE

Rumbolds Cones Day August 2011

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Rumbolds Cones Day August 2011, a set on Flickr.

Goodwood 2011

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Two-day regional & club carriage driving trials

Dick Lane warming up for his dressage in front of Goodwood house

20th & 21st August 2011
At the Goodwood Estate, Chichester, West Sussex, PO18 0PX
By kind permission of the Earl of March
Kindly supported by Hugh & Karen Scott-Barrett

Jo Rennison being presented a prize at last year's
Goodwood by Hugh Scott-Barrett

Entries are coming in fast for the Regional Competition, so if you wanting the enter the Club Competition make sure you get your entries in quick to avoid disappointment!

Download Schedule
Download Entry Form
(Having problems Printing?? - See our guide here!)

Not Competing? Why not come along anyhow, join in the fun, and be a helper for the weekend. Helpers are always required for a variety of jobs from dressage writing to obstacle stewarding. Refreshments are provided throughout the day, and if you stay for both days you can enjoy a free ticket to the evening party!
If your available to help for either day, or both please contact
Jo Rennison

Presentation Carriage for Sale

2011-07-10T10:20:00.000+01:00

Van Den Heuval Country Spyder presentation Carriage, varnished wood & brown leather.

Dark green undercarriage. Fits pair from 15hh, OR a large single. Beautiful carriage,very comfy, has narrowed front axel to make cones easier, & extending rear axel for both widths.

Also available Hartland wipe clean & patent Full size Pair harness.

Carriage £3500. Harness £750.

Contact

Jackie Ellis

07854 410821

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Partly built Carriage for Sale

2011-07-09T19:28:00.000+01:00

Rubbed down and primed and consists of 4 wheels with steel rims 2-36" and 2-26". The body, spindle back bench seat, springs and other sections are in excellent condition. Excludes axels and shafts.
Hence the very reasonable price of £450.00

Contact Ted Martin
02084624807
krystynamartin@talktalk.net

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Carriage for Sale

2011-07-08T10:48:00.000+01:00

Perfect Carriage for Small Pony - Approx 11hh.
Bellcrown Carriage (English Built).
Backstep with Cushioned Seats
Adjustable Rear Axle
Disc Brakes
Black with Red Wheels

Used but in Good Condition
All tyres have only just had new rubber added.

£1000
Contact Broomells Workshop for More Info
01306 711514

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Dartmoor Gig for Sale

2011-07-07T10:45:00.000+01:00

Dark blue Dartmoor Gig for sale to suit 12-13 hh pony. Includes removable backstep and marathon seat. Balance adjustment (screw mechanism). Axles extend for cone driving. Lamp holders. Brass rein rail and fittings - £745.

Leather show harness to fit 12.1 pony also available - £245.

For further details please phone 01306 711516 (Dorking area).

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Rumbolds Farm - Events 2011

2011-06-09T18:43:00.004+01:00

By Kind permission of Sue and Andy Robertson, Brockham Harness Club will be hosting several fun events/training at Rumbolds.
The following dates have been confirmed and schedules and entry forms are now available to download.

Val Taylor speedily exiting an obstacle at last years training day

For your Diary......

September 18th - Preparing for Indoors Training Day
Click here for More info - (Having problems Printing?? - See our guide here!)
To enter contact Jo Rennison

Rumbolds Indoor Out Pictures

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Rumbolds Indoor Out Results

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The results for Rumbolds Indoor out Competition this Sunday 29th, are now available here

HOW TO PRINT DOCUMENTS - GUIDE

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A number of people have indicated problems with printing documents from the Brockham Website. To hopefully solve these problems this guide has been created on how to print documents from the website.

All Brockham files are stored on a system called Google Docs. This system enable us to store unlimited files for free, and allows anyone with the link to be able to access them.
Files are uploaded onto the Google Doc website and are then linked to from the Brockham Website. E.g. When you click 'Download Schedule' on the Goodwood 2 Day event webpage, this will then link you to the Goodwood Schedule which has been uploaded onto Google Docs.

How to Print a Document

The important point to understand about Google Docs is that it has it's own Menu which you will need to use to Download or Print the Document.
Do not use your normal web browser menu (file, edit, view) - If you do use this menu you will be able to print the document BUT it will print the whole webpage as appose to just the document (so the document will be very small and hard to read)
Instead use the Google Docs menu which includes File and View.

To Print the Document, Select File, and from the drop down menu Select Print (PDF). -This will then bring up your normal Printer Options from which you can confirm to print the Document.

I hope this guide helps, and if you have any other problems just send me and email and I get back to you ASAP.
Adam Wyllie

Easter Egg Drive Pictures

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Borde Hill Boot Camp 2011

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POSTPONED TILL A LATER DATE
Unfortunately due to lack of entries we have had to postpone Borde Hill Boot Camp for the moment, with the hope of running a similar event later in the year.

Frances Winter driving Harry in the Dressage Phase at last years Boot Camp

For more Info on Boot Camp please contact Adam Wyllie

Club Member Trish Lebus gives us a low down on Attelage de Tradition after her recent win!

2011-03-06T18:49:00.000Z

'Attelage de Tradition '

This form of competition which is popular in many parts of the Continent is a mixture of Private Driving and Driving Trials, based on traditional driving styles including where possible original carriages although reproductions are permitted with a small penalty. It is in 3 parts, namely a standing presentation in front of 3 different judges from 3 different countries, followed by the "Routier" or Marathon which is normally about 16 kms long, timed at 14 kms per hour for horses, less for ponies and without stopping and often on roads and through villages where the locals turn out to take photos and cheer you on. In Deauville one year we drove right through the middle of the town and around the yacht marina. During the Routier, there are up to 6 "difficulties" to test accuracy and obedience. These can be a 3 metre rein back between cones, driving between narrow lines with whip and reins in the left hand and with spooks along the way, and one particularly interesting one this year was parallel lines 6 inches apart on a curve and 15 metres long and you had to keep your front wheel within the lines or your right wheel in a two wheeler. The third part of the competition is a cone course exactly as we do over here. Sometimes they are one day and sometimes two day events.

These events are huge fun and the organisers go to great trouble to entertain us all. One night there is always a smart dinner all included in the cost of the entry which is normally about 35 euros (£30) !! although you do have to join the National Driving Club of the host country.

The event we went to recently was in Cuts in France North East of Paris and is certainly the best organised and the biggest of the ones we have been to. There were 63 entries over 8 classes with 20 in our single horse class alone. There were road coaches, randoms, 2 Winchesters (3 abreast) a unicorn and last year even a donkey team. 9 nations were represented and it drew a crowd of over 15,000 spectators on the Sunday. We just managed to win our class - with less than 1 point to spare! and were 3rd overall which was rather pleasing, particularly in view of the fact that our Welsh Section D, Biff, is now 23 and he coped magnificently with the journey and the competition.

It would be lovely if more Brits would support these events and the organisers, particularly at Cuts are very keen indeed for more of us to enter. They now supply all the rules and information in English and give you a huge welcome. Crossing the Channel is no great problem especially living in the South East and it is only 3 hours from Calais on the motorway.

Perhaps anyone interested would like to go and watch one year.

I would be very happy chat to anyone who would like some more information.

Trish Lebus

Rescue/Driving ponies for share

2011-03-03T18:31:00.005Z

We are trainers/behaviouralists and have 4 wonderful equines who are all in various stages of rehabilitation, they are all our babies and not for sale or rehoming.
We are looking for a couple of special people who would like to help, learn, love and fuss them and learn to excersise, break, school and drive.
There will also be the option to help us with our competing and to take the ponies on training days and pleasure drives. They are kept near newdigate in a lovely quiet private yard.
Looking ideally for people to come up weekdays, input can be as much or as little as you like, just grooming or helping to break in or just joining us to excersise them.
Adults only but novices very welcome. Small contribution required for lessons etc... Please call anytime if you would like to meet us all and discuss further. Sarah 07928813119 Sarahpressler@msn.com

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Merrist Wood Video - 6th March

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Have a look at some Footage of Merrist Wood! You may be in it! Thanks goes to Paul Orchard for the video.

Merrist Wood Results and Pictures - 6th March 2011

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Click Here for Results

Casi's Farm Report

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A good turnout of members attended the “Starting the Season” educational evening held at Casi’s Farm. The evening began with Sarah Garnett and Anna Grayston working with Frances Winter and her pony Harry, Sarah asked Frances to encourage her pony to be more ACTIVE – this alone improved the turnouts working trot by 2-3 points.

Sarah and Anna then shared some of their training exercises on improving bend – I’m sure many attendees will now be practicing some of these exercises with their own turnouts at home. Anna very kindly brought one of her ponies Rodney along for the evening and ran through her warm up programme and some of the exercises she uses in her training – this was an inspiration to many.

Caroline Hicks gave a very informative demonstration of equine physio.

Hot soup and refreshments were very welcome in the break to warm everyone up for Caroline Hicks and her demonstration of equine physio – the McTimony method – all were absorbed in watching Caroline find any trace of discomfort in a horse kindly loaned by Dick Lane for the session and how she would treat it. Once again all went away with some useful stretch exercises to try on their equines at home and learned about what is involved in a session with an equine physio.

Many thanks go to Sarah, Anna, Frances, Caroline, Dick & Jan Lane and Casi’s Farm Disabled Group.

Jo Rennison

Merrist Wood Video - 13th February

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Have a look at some Footage of Merrist Wood! You may be in it! Thanks goes to Paul Orchard for the video.

Merrist Wood - Results and Pictures

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Click here for Merrist Wood Results

AGM - Review

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Thanks to all who attended the AGM, it was nice to see many of our long-term members, but would have been nice to have seen a few of the newer members of the club.

Pippa receiving her Chairmans Award from Nigel

The website was formally launched and an explanation was given as to how to navigate, look at pictures/videos, send info/report... on the new design.

Anyone who has not yet renewed their membership, please either join online or print off an application form which can be sent to Sarah Garnett.

Graham recieving his Chairmans Award from Nigel

Two Chairmans awards were presented during the evening to Pippa Bassett and Graham Kelly. Graham for his continued support/expertise/stewarding at all Brockham events, which he has even discharged himself from hospital before to attend! And Pippa for her continued support of the sport by bringing in so many new members to the club..... and also the committee!

The night was drawn to a close by a fun quiz which was enjoyed by all.

Skittles Photos

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A Great night had by all!
Thanks goes to Dick for organizing and as usual his unique commentary!

Skittles Night Video!

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Have a look at the Video of our latest skittles night! Thanks to Paul Orchard for the excellent footage!

Merrist Wood - 16th January - Results

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Click Here for results from the latest Merrist Wood. For all Indoor event results Click Here

Hannah Kelly winning the Novice Horse class

Photos from Merrist Wood 16 Jan 2011

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Photos of the New Year's Drive 2011

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Wanted on loan or possible buy

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13 to 13.3hh pony for very keen novice junior whip.
Private experienced home with other ponies.
We have carriage, harness etc for this size.
My present pony is too sharp for my son to drive.

Reference available if required.

Please contact Jane Stuart 01730 825817 or
email jane@stuartjane.wanadoo.co.uk

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Brockham's new websites

2011-01-01T23:00:00.000Z

Hello. Welcome to the redesigned BHC website which is formally launched at the AGM on 31 January 2011 along with a brand new sister website for the South of England Carriage Driving Fair (www.carriagefair.co.uk).

The main aim of the new sites it to make it easier and quicker for the club's organisers to communicate with you, letting you know about events, results and social activities.

Adam Wyllie competing with Chico at Merrist Wood

But the the redesign has also allowed us to add more photography so you can see yourself and others in action. We are using the photo sharing site flickr and although most of the photographs will appear on this site as slideshows (for examples, click the Photos button above), you can also search the photos directly at our flicker page (http://www.flickr.com/photos/brockhamhc/).

We'd love to add your photos of BHC events to our collection, whether they are new or old, so that we can build a more complete archive. Get in touch with Adam Wyllie if you'd like to contribute.

If you prefer to keep in touch with what's going on at BHC through Facebook, we have a Facebook group for the club and a Facebook page for the Carriage Fair.

We hope you like what you see. If you have any comments on the new sites, or you have any suggestions for how we can improve them, leave a comment (click here) on this post or get in touch with the committee (details here).

Merrist Wood 12 December 2010 results and photos

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Results for the 12 December Merrist Wood Competition click here

Merrist Wood 21 November results

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Results from the November indoor competition at Merrist Wood - click here.

Pippa Bassett driving Vandor, a leader from her team, to come third in
a competitive Open Single Horse Class.

Photos from Merrist Wood November 2010

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Training

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Stuck in the mud for training this winter? come and use Rumbolds Farm at Plaistow.
Contact Robert or Annie Wilkinson
Tel : 01428 653525
Email : robertsnobcob@btinternet.com

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Merrist Wood 17 Oct 2010 results

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Results of the first BHC indoor event at Merrist Wood (click link)

Harness for sale

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Horse Pairs Cottage Craft harness. Black Webbing. Good Condition to fit 14.2hh to 15.2hh £225

Single Full size Griffen Leather/web Harness. 15hh-16hh £100

Full size adjustable American Collar with Collar Pads. £200

Contact Broomells Workshop 01306 711514

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Goodwood 2010 results

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Click here to view results of the Goodwood 2DE 21-22 August 2010

Hartland pony carriage

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Single/Pairs Hartland Pony Sport - 13-15hh 180Kg Blue
Disc brakes, sliding driver's seat, front passenger and 2 rear grooms' seats, double tierbackstep.
Pairs pole and swingle tree (Never unwrapped).

Lightly used. Small amount of surface rust on shafts, but nothing that a bit of elbow grease and Hammerite won't cure! Overall good condition.

Also: Black single leather harness to fit 13-15hh plus jointed Liverpool bit 5". Very good condition. Various bits of spares, harness rack, tarpaulin.

Owner giving up driving.

Carriage £1400 ono

Harness £300 ono

Ann Thompson 01306 740192
(Dorking area)

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Pony carriage for sale

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Crafty Carts Pony Carriage for sale
Pneumatic tyres, 4 wheels

£400 ono

Phone 01293 871513

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Borde Hill ODE results

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Click here for results of the Borde Hill ODE 18 July 2010

Rumbolds indoor/outdoor results

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Results for this event can be viewed here

Indoor/outdoor event pictures and results

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Photos from the Indoor/Outdoor competition at Rumbolds farm June 2010

Competition results

Training day thanks

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Would just like to say thank you to Jo and Pippa for a great training day at Rumbolds on 30/05/10, I thought it was a very well thought out format and learnt a great deal from it.

I found both Jo and Pippa’s comments during the dressage training very constructive and helpful, just need to see if I can put that into practice for the ODE on 20/06/10!

It was a good idea getting us to build our own obstacle, it certainly makes you realise it is not always as easy as people make it look and Pippa as usual bought out the competitivness in us during the ostacle driving!
I would also like to thank everyone else who helped make the day enjoyable for us all.

Frances Winter

Training day photos

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Photos from BHC training day Rumbolds Farm, May 2010

Cones fun day

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Photos from the Cones Fun Day at Rumbolds Farm, May 2010

Easter egg drive

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The Easter pleasure drive across Albury Heath and the sun was out.

New Year's pleasure drive

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It's a bit of an institution, the New Year's drive, calling in at the Parrot, Forest Green, the Bulls Head in Ewhurst and the Scarlett Arms in Walliswood.

View New Year's Drive in a larger map

Advertising on the site

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Brockham Harness Club members can place ads free of charge including photographs. You may use the service to sell or to place wanted ads. There is currently no restriction on the number of ads a member can place

Non-members may also advertise at a cost of £5 for 3 months, to include 1 photo. Contact Adam Wyllie

View adverts here

Links

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BHDTA: British Horse Driving Trials Association
FEI:International Federation for Equestrian Sport

Driving Clubs in the South of England

The South Downs Harness Club
The Oaks Driving Club
The Weald Harness Club
East Anglian Carriage Driving Group
Windsor Park Driving Club
Bradbourne Carriage Driving Club
Indoor Carriage Driving Company: Indoor Competition in the Winter season

International and World

World Cup Driving: Dedicated exclusively to World competition
National Driving Championships: Dedicated to the Horse Driving Trials National Championships
Hippoevent: International Event Information
Hoef Net: Internation Event Information

Club Partners/Supporters

Baileys Horse Feeds: Internationally recognized horse feeds
Zilco Harness: Carriage Fair Sponsor
Goodwood Estate: Event Venue

Harness and Driving Accessories

Broomells Workshop: Harness Maker and Saddler
Jack in the Box: Harness Suppliers and Accessories
Hartland Carriages: Carriage and Harness Supplier
Fenix Carriages: Carriage manufacturer and Driving Centre

Equine Information

Stable Express: Leading Equestrian Directory
National Equestrian Crime Database
County Calendar: Community events website

Equine Welfare

Blue Chip Feeds: Natural Horse Supplements & Feed Balancers
Caroline Hick: Equine and Canine McTimoney chiropractor

Photography

Peter Blackman Photography: Carriage Driving and Equestrian Events
Mike Watts: Free downloads - photos of both Indoor and Outdoor Events

Publications

Inharness Magazine: Very informative Carriage Driving magazine.
Carriage Driving Magazine: Monthly magazine dedicated entirely to Carriage Driving
Driving Horse: Buy or Sell Site for Driving Horses and more
Carriage Link: Buying and Selling of driving horses, carriage, etc

Finding club events

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View BHC Locations in a larger map

All about BHC

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Brockham Harness Club was founded in late 1969 by a number of carriage driving enthusiasts to promote their mutual interest in the sport and to arrange various carriage driving activities.

We are one of the longest-established driving Clubs in the country and have had amongst our ranks a large number of members who have competed with great success both Nationally and Internationally.

In action at BHC indoor competition at Merrist Wood near Guildford

During the year we hold instruction and demonstration sessions. One and Two Day Events. Fun Days, visits to places of interest, social events and of course, the annual Carriage Driving Fair at Ardingly South of England Showground.

Today the Club's members have a wide range of talents and driving experience. Some are concerned with FEI competitions, whilst others prefer the gentler pastime of showing or pleasure driving.

We also have members who do not have their own turnouts but are happy to help at Club events.

We therefore extend a cordial invitation to anyone interested in carriage driving to join the Club where they can meet people with similar interests and gain access to information, help and advice on driving in general.

Useful links

Contact us

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Chairman:

Nigel Dipple

07831 272397/ 07831 272397
nigeldipple@aol.com

Training Officer and Social Secretary
Jo Rennison
01293 862537/ 07711 929713
jo.rennison@btopenworld.com

Treasurer
Malcolm Ladell
01737 843644
malcolmladell@aol.com

Membership Secretary
Sarah Garnett
01306 884956
sarahgarnett@talktalk.net

Indoor Events
Dick Lane
01483 276936
dicklaneplant@btconnect.com

Web Administrator and Event Secretary
Adam Wyllie
07803068076
adam@adamwyllie.co.uk

Georgina Hunt
georginafrith@aol.com

Driver assessment

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Drivers at their first Brockham Harness Club event will need to be assessed for their competence and safety. All new members will have received a copy of the assessment pro-forma from the secretary. If you have not received a copy please contact Sarah Garnett on 01306 884956 or email sarahgarnett@talktalk.net